tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post9020247335980941738..comments2024-03-28T16:32:33.300-04:00Comments on Royal Musings: What was George V thinking?Marlene Eilers Koenighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14984860671065161997noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-92025074353965201022022-10-10T03:34:18.860-04:002022-10-10T03:34:18.860-04:00That was what I thought when I heard the announcem...That was what I thought when I heard the announcement how Archie would be styled. Pursuit of more a private life and longing for a royal title and style make a contradiction. I have no clue on recent gossips on titles of Harry's kids. Brittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10141627801075391679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-36179516923226384042021-10-31T15:09:09.432-04:002021-10-31T15:09:09.432-04:00Unknown .. Yes and no. Prince Edward's childr...Unknown .. Yes and no. Prince Edward's children are grandchildren in the male line, but are styled as children of an earl, not as HRH Princess and Prince ...this was done without a letters Patent. The queen issued a Letters Patent before George was born to change one part of the 1917 Letter Patent. If Charlotte had been born first, she would have been styled as Lady Charlotte not a Princess, and George if born second would have been HRH Prince George and the Lord Louis ... so the queen fixed that issue. It was at this time, that I realized Harry's kids would never be royal because she could have changed the wording to all of children of sons of the Prince of Wales would be HRH Prince and Princes, not just the eldest son. Harry's kids should be styled as children of a duke, as the Earl of Dumbarton and Lady Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor, but Harry and Meghan chose not do to this. They will not be royal nor will they have a role in the monarchy, They will grow up as Americans. Marlene Eilers Koenighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984860671065161997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-86022314097690055642021-10-31T02:10:57.730-04:002021-10-31T02:10:57.730-04:00Eugenie & Beatrice are Princesses because they...Eugenie & Beatrice are Princesses because they are grandchildren of the Queen. Archie is great grand of Queen. When Charles becomes King then Archie will become Prince IF Charles does not issue new Letters Patent. Prince & Princess is for grandchildren. As I understand it no great grandchild of Elizabeth has Prince/Princess titles except Williams children.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01797629120529325415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-87920335366544791552021-04-06T23:27:59.706-04:002021-04-06T23:27:59.706-04:00Nothing to do with protocol. It was decided in th...Nothing to do with protocol. It was decided in the late 1990s that in the fulness of time, there will be fewer royals -- Harry's line will not be royal. The precedence was set im 1999 with Prince Edward's childrenMarlene Eilers Koenighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984860671065161997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-33572582909645879012021-04-06T16:35:17.264-04:002021-04-06T16:35:17.264-04:00thats against protocol then, from the history that...thats against protocol then, from the history that am reading from this article- that Archie will never be a prince. what an anomaly that the 6th or 7th in line to the throne is not a prince but the 10th and 11th (eugenie and beatrice) are princesses. (not sure i got the 10th and 11th right) but you get the gist.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16011483178311730656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-41123144616941025072021-03-27T07:22:20.513-04:002021-03-27T07:22:20.513-04:00Re: Archie's title. In any case I don't se...Re: Archie's title. In any case I don't see what relevance a British title has when a child is estranged from the family, his country and his heritage. It is his parents that have denied him this privilege.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07198301463288891743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-86249119873114759822021-03-11T11:06:05.963-05:002021-03-11T11:06:05.963-05:00how cute would it have been to have Lord Archie Mo...how cute would it have been to have Lord Archie Mountbatten! too bad the parents are denying him that.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01234144838277390760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-10170052812455616042021-03-10T07:43:13.602-05:002021-03-10T07:43:13.602-05:00Thank you very much for your explanation, very cla...Thank you very much for your explanation, very clarifying. <br />Robert LigthelmHairybob010https://www.blogger.com/profile/04003095790215890676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-70145009779742938632021-03-09T21:30:54.304-05:002021-03-09T21:30:54.304-05:00Yes, the Hannovers lost their British titles - and...Yes, the Hannovers lost their British titles - and the 1914 LP was for the children only not further generations, but the British sovereign has "accepted" that the Hanovers continue to use older British title (Ireland, not northern Ireland)Marlene Eilers Koenighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984860671065161997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-60673967623962684342021-03-09T21:24:38.684-05:002021-03-09T21:24:38.684-05:00No racism at all. Harry's kids were never goi...No racism at all. Harry's kids were never going to be royal. Meghan is so wrong and appears to have limited knowledge of the family that she married into in Mau 2018. Edward's kids are styled as royals and they are grandchildren in the male line. Marlene Eilers Koenighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984860671065161997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-70242846195993361292021-03-09T21:22:41.600-05:002021-03-09T21:22:41.600-05:00Meghan was so misinformed and provided so much inc...Meghan was so misinformed and provided so much incorrect information. Archie is in the same position as the children of the Dukes of Kent and Gloucester: male line great-grandchild of a sovereign. He should be styled as the Earl of Dumbarton or at least as Lord Archie Mountbatten Windsor, but it was announced when he was born that his parents did not want to have their son styled with a courtesy title and be Master Archie. They were already making plans to leave the RF. James and Louise do not have a Right to be styled as HRH Prince/Ess. That is the prerogative of the Sovereign. The Queen decided and Edward and Sophie agreed that their children will not have royal titles .. no LP is needed, actually, as nothing needs to be approved by Parliament. There is the possibility that Harry's kids would get the upgrade when Charles is king, but unlikely. We have the precedent of Edward's kids and the decision made by the Way Ahead group in the late 90s that the RF will be smaller. Harry has known that kids would not royal. One of the biggest clues was in 2012 when the queen changed the wording of the eldest son of the eldest son of the Pow to all of the children of the eldest son of the eldest son of the POW. It was the decision of the Sussexes to use no title - this was made clear in the announcement that the Sussexes "have chosen not to give him a courtesy title at this time." It is inevitable that Charles will issue a new LP as king. He has to because the 1917/2012 LPs are not gender equal. My prediction: HRH/Prince for children of the sovereign, the heir apparent's children and the heir apparent's eldest child's children. Peerages for the other sons & daughters of the sovereign. Marlene Eilers Koenighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984860671065161997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-88458326235871747972021-03-09T20:27:39.908-05:002021-03-09T20:27:39.908-05:00I've always tended to assume that the fact he ...I've always tended to assume that the fact he does not use the Earl of Dumbarton courtesy title suggests that he will in fact be 'upgraded' when Charles becomes king. This is because the alternative would be for him to use the courtesy title during a part of his childhood, but then, because royals don't use courtesy titles, he would then appear to have it 'taken away' from him at the time of the upgrade, although it would in reality be ceasing to need to use it rather than it actually being taken away. So perhaps it was thought better for him to just not use it, and then wait however many years for the upgrade. But personally I do feel that even if this is the explantion, that it would still be better to at least style him as Lord Archie Mountbatten-Windsor. It is completely illogical that the sons of HRH Duke of Gloucester and HRH Duke of Kent, who are in the same genealogical position, albeit from a former rather than current monarch, do get styled as children of a Duke, and even the children of the Earl of Wessex 'fall back' on being styled as children of an Earl, in place of using the HRH and Prince(ss) that is rightfully theirs, but that Archie has no 'fall back' at all and instead falls down a crack between the two different style possiblities for sons of Royal Dukes. Previously the only real explanation was that Duke and Duchess themselves chose this state of affairs, but my understanding of the Duchess' recent comments in the Oprah interview was that they in fact did not choose this, which now begs the question of who is preventing Archie from being styled as the son of a Duke? Or is no-one actually preventing him from using the style, and could it in fact stem from some sort of big misunderstanding of some sort between the monarchy and the Duke and Duchess.MrDannyDetailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504416697205841733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-42421819777035495942021-03-09T16:06:48.061-05:002021-03-09T16:06:48.061-05:00It will be interesting to see how all of this play...It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out in the future. Charles is speaking of slimming the monarchy down, but with the alleged racism towards Archie, it may look bad to exclude him. We shall see.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00217586248868618331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-25372765323884650652021-03-09T07:12:22.925-05:002021-03-09T07:12:22.925-05:00Did the children of the Duke and Duchess of Brunsw...Did the children of the Duke and Duchess of Brunswick from the 1914 LP by George really lost their titles per the 1917 LP? Yes, the 1917 LP limited the degrees of kinship which automatically grants royal status and titles so they wasn't entitled to them by birth anymore but in that odd 1914 LP they were given them, I don't known how to cal it, personally, specifically?-https://www.blogger.com/profile/12041013874597099194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-37653187437813644142021-03-09T05:04:47.045-05:002021-03-09T05:04:47.045-05:00Interesting to contrast with Sweden, where daughte...Interesting to contrast with Sweden, where daughters now pass on Prince and Princess to grandchildren of the King (Princess Madeleine's children are not O'Neills.<br /><br />Also, in the Netherlands, Queen Juliana's grandchildren (via Princess Margriet) are Princes and Princesses although Queen Beatrix's (via Princes Friso and Constantijn) are not.<br /><br />Such Princes and Princesses are not necessarily Royal Highnesses. Please correct me if I have this wrong.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16695187534995700314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-66640732197067752072019-01-11T12:42:42.297-05:002019-01-11T12:42:42.297-05:00John the only person who lost his HH was Prince Al...John the only person who lost his HH was Prince Alistair who was three years old. He did become a peer until 1942Marlene Eilers Koenighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984860671065161997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-4246012389509037492019-01-11T11:36:29.730-05:002019-01-11T11:36:29.730-05:00were they able to still wear the coronet of their ...were they able to still wear the coronet of their previous HH rank? Or did they wear peer coronets?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01234144838277390760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-58496318441568750642019-01-11T05:40:57.608-05:002019-01-11T05:40:57.608-05:00Sorry but my phone has been swallowing comments. L...Sorry but my phone has been swallowing comments. Lastly, *60th birthday* in 1879 for Feodora's birth. <br /><br />I find it interesting that King George V and Queen Elizabeth II have implicitly allowed the House of Hangover their British titles while denying the Gloucester's and Kent scions the princely rank and qualification of HRH. <br /><br />I believe that George V in 1917 and the Way Ahead group of recent decades are using the earlier usage of prince in the medieval kingdoms of England and Scotland. At that time it was restricted to the sons of a reigning king if I judge by Edward I and Edward III and Albany scions in Scotland. <br /><br />Shinjinee Shinjineehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07318277620989204299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-39116399334004863542019-01-10T14:01:15.261-05:002019-01-10T14:01:15.261-05:00that is the loophole -- nothing about upgrades if ...that is the loophole -- nothing about upgrades if you are born before you become a grandchild in the male line so I say that Harry's kids will never be royal.Marlene Eilers Koenighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984860671065161997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-29562224750327929702019-01-10T12:28:11.513-05:002019-01-10T12:28:11.513-05:00But wopuld children of harry and Meghan not autmai...But wopuld children of harry and Meghan not autmaitc become Prince/Princess when the Queen dies and Charles becomes King. So a Letters patent to limit the Tiitle Prince/Princess would have to be issued under the Queen#' reign or Harry's children would became Pricne/Pricness and have the title later removed from them.Royal Travel and Eventshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07933575692715071004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-25642265295927442142019-01-10T00:26:12.577-05:002019-01-10T00:26:12.577-05:00I wonder if Prince George and his future wife only...I wonder if Prince George and his future wife only had one child (male or female), that would only make HRH apart from his brother and sister.....that would be a very small Royal Family.<br /><br />Thanks again for your fantastic articles.Robbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12988185435583974234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-17270958495579933512019-01-09T18:18:16.580-05:002019-01-09T18:18:16.580-05:00I do not believe that there will be an elevation a...I do not believe that there will be an elevation as I said in the article. I believe there will be new LP when Charles is king that further limits titles. eldest son in birth.Marlene Eilers Koenighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984860671065161997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8762674434623075554.post-64722030706859362902019-01-09T16:57:57.175-05:002019-01-09T16:57:57.175-05:00As things stand now, won't Harry's childre...As things stand now, won't Harry's children automatically be elevated to HRH when Charles takes the throne? (Unless they apply a style like the Wessex children.)<br /><br />Also, I wonder how they interpret the phrase "eldest son" of the Prince of Wales -- is it eldest son in birth order or eldest living son? <br /><br />Imagine a scenario where William predeceases his father. Although William's children would be next in line, Harry would then be the "eldest son" of the Prince of Wales. Would Harry's children be elevated then? <br /><br />All speculation, I know, just interesting to think about. Kalnelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17935054435071109772noreply@blogger.com